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spawn killers are no fun

by Giszmo on 04/03/2011 15:37, 46 messages, last message: 06/07/2011 00:56, 19334 views, last view: 05/18/2024 03:57

Hi,

I love Sauerbraten and play a lot recently. Venice, instagib with 20 players at least but spawn killers somehow take all the fun of it. Neither is it fun to get killed 2ms after spawning nore is it fun to kill those bastards as they stand still staring at a spawn point nore is it fun to follow this strategy myself knowing how frustrating it is for the spawners.

I have some suggestions to make this more interesting:

#1: Spawn points get a team-dependent spawn penalty cool down depending on how fast players of a team die there so red players spawn where there are no blue spawn campers.
To be more precise: If a red player gets killed within the first second after spawning (dt<1), the spawn point will get a penalty cool down:
pcd=now()+(1-dt)*20s
so red players only spawn there if no spawn point's penalty is smaller than now().

#2: When spawning, the player can move for 500ms without shooting and without getting shot. This would work with all maps as they are now. This feature could be optional.

#3: Give more frags for chainsaw kills. At most spawn points it is easy to kill spawn killers with the chain saw. If a chain saw kill would steal an extra frag from the hit player, it would be more vital to watch one's back and spawn killers would score less, making it even more boring.

#4: Many more spawn points. This would involve changing maps, thus rendering a no-option but still venice with 100 spawn points would render spawn camping pretty senseless.

Regards,

Giszmo

P.S.: This forum is chaotic. If I would find my way around, I would probably have posted this in the "game mechanics" section but I didn't find any order here so sorry for "cluttering" if this is not the place to post this suggestion. :(

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#7: Not everyone has 3+ years experience in sauer!

by Zorg on 04/04/2011 11:04

@sub-zero:

There are some posts in this forum which would deserve a "*sigh*", but Giszmo's isn't one of them. And he didn't repost what you said, he quoted. And if it is done like he did, this is usually a good thing in 99% of all cases. Long story short, I think you "overbitched" a little :)

@Giszmo:

sub-zero is right, he may have sounded a bit harsh but that is what happens when you regularly answer a lot of questions by less experienced users.

- If you want to get to know a map, do it offline

- Venice is one map of so many and concerning spawn-camping it is the worst (Plus it was made for an older release of sauerbraten, so it is a bit outdated. Plus it was never intended to be played in mass-insta. I still like it though)

- to your #3: That would be even worse as spawn-camping works best with the chainsaw, it doesn't need the time for reload as the rifle does.

- to your #4:
(a) If you play sauer long enough, you will notice it is great if you know the spawnpoints in a map, it adds to your tactical horizon.
(b) It is not easy to find proper spawnpoints, which are not too exposed, too far away from weapon pickups (yes, nearly all of the maps are suposed to be played with other weapons than the rifle, no idea why everyone only snipers nowadays), not too close to the enemy, not to close to a capture-base, not too close from the edge of a map and so on. And if you play some other maps in some other modes you will realize that most of the time the layout of the spawnpoints is quite great.

- I suppose you are from Germany (Ein herzliches "Servus!" von Bayern nach Bayern an dieser Stelle), so you will not only get a good ping to vaq 4, but also to many other servers: vaq 1-3 obviously, ogros.org 1-x, psl 1-x, pcc 1-x, ... I don't want to go on, I suppose Germany has the highest sauer-server-density in the world anyways

And about spawn-camping in general on iCTF maps (which seems to be the only mode anyone plays):
Let's say I one manages to fight his way to the other side. Then someone spawns, should he not kill him? Then a second one spanws, should he not kill him? Then he jumps to the flag, the first one respawns again, should he not kill him? What if you go to the other side but your teammate with the enemy's flag can't for a minute? Should you not try to kill the enemies when they spawn? Sure, some players only go there to kill as many as possible and don't care about the flag which I find a kinda dumb thing to do, but sometimes killing people as they spawn is the right (and only) thing to do...