Boot CD Cube??

by e:n:i:g:m:a on 08/26/2004 17:11, 44 messages, last message: 10/06/2004 22:36, 4373 views, last view: 05/04/2024 15:54

So has anyone started making a boot cd version of Cube? I was just wondering what people's ideas are about it, etc.

Oh yeah, and I had an idea... what about using MinuetOS for the OS? It's not posix compatable though, so I dunno if anyone can do it...

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#25: ..

by GHak3r on 09/22/2004 00:10

Submitted too soon - this could be done in Knoppix pretty easily - you can grab some packages to create a Knoppix-based LiveCD at http://www.linux-live.org/. I can work on one of these if you guys won't...it sounds like you guys are just going to bitch forever before some coding starts to happen.

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#26: MORPHIX

by JellyWerker The Same As Above on 09/22/2004 05:08

Hey guy's, you really should look at morphix, anyone with debian could make a live cd in 2 hours, I haven't made a cd to make all you guy's happy yet because I don't have debian, and I am bad at console commands (as in I have ruined three various linux installs.) Anyways, you can make it in other distro's, but it is a lot harder, seeing as the creators of morphix use debian and everything is kinda tailored to being customised on debian.

Also, in answer to GHak3r's comment "RedHat butchered KDE, FreeBSD won't boot unless it's in Safe Mode, and Debian doesn't support my nForce2 on-board LAN, and none of the above support MP3s, DVDs, and my hardware."

When was the last time Ghak3r installed fedora core 2, or any of the newer debians and freebsd's? I make a hobby of installing operating systems, so I know. Also, red hat did nothing to kde, the simply created a theme (bluecurve) for it. I currently use red hat linux 9.

Note: I will try and have a live cd done in two weeks, basic, with xfce4, the gimp, firefox, and a few other essentials.

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#27: Other distro\\\'s

by GHak3r--not my PC on 09/23/2004 19:14

I\\\\\\\'ve used RedHat 8.3 through RHEL WS-3, I installed Fedora Core 1 (you\\\\\\\'re right - I haven\\\\\\\'t tried 2 or 3, but 1 didn\\\\\\\'t support my nForce board out of the box and kernel hacking in Fedora isn\\\\\\\'t as simple as \\\\\\\"cd /usr/src/linux ; make menuconfig\\\\\\\"), I installed but could not run FreeBSD 5.4.1 on this same set of hardware, and I don\\\\\\\'t remember which Debian distro. I also tried Mandrake 10.1 Beta (and I\\\\\\\'ll be first to say that Beta\\\\\\\'s aren\\\\\\\'t good if you don\\\\\\\'t feel like hacking and spending your evenings on Google). I put some thought into running Mandrake, but they have a history of opening ports for popups in an effort to make money and I have heard (it\\\\\\\'s only a rumor) that subscribing to their free services will get you tons of spam mail.

I\\\\\\\'ll see what I can do with the LiveCD in Gentoo. I belive you on the part of it being built for Debian, in which case I may fire up the Bochs and run Debian. It\\\\\\\'ll take me days to compile if I do that.

I\\\\\\\'m not promising a distribution because I\\\\\\\'ll have to do as much reading as anyone, but I\\\\\\\'ll still get to work on it tomorrow if I can.

Like I said...let\\\\\\\'s stop the irrelevant distribution bashing - we\\\\\\\'re doing one of these Live-Linux CDs unless someone\\\\\\\'s got a better idea and I haven\\\\\\\'t heard one yet.

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#28: ..

by GHak3r--not my PC on 09/23/2004 19:31

Uhh my apologies to all for that ugly post's backslashes. Nothing I can do now.

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#29: Gentoo

by JellyWerker who is not getting the cookie renewal email on 09/23/2004 21:14

GHak3r, I am actually thinking about installing gentoo, I checked it it out, it doesn't seem to hard to install, anyways, how do you get the email to renew your id?

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#30: ..

by JellyWerker who is not getting the cookie renewal email on 09/23/2004 21:30

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#31: ???

by Pxtl on 09/23/2004 21:38

Thinks installing Gentoo is easy, but can't handle recovering his cookie on this board? Wierd.

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#32: ..

by GHak3r on 09/24/2004 07:05

Easy? "And it took me like 15 tries before it finally went..." and each try takes 2 1/2 hours Stage 3 (generic kernel, prebuilt packages) to more than 4 hours Stage 1 (bootstrap, compiles everything, manual kernel configuration). It's almost as bad as that damn scriptless Slackware installation not long ago (Slackware isn't too bad to install now).

Yeah...sorry about the cookie...I really do feel stupid so don't rub it in or I'll shoot you in Cube once we get it built. Oh wait...haha.

Hmm Slackware...there's a few live versions of SLAX that we could look at. And let me clarify something that sounds ridiculous that I said earlier (without slashes) - when I said "I'll see what I can do with the LiveCD in Gentoo" I meant the LiveCD generating packages at linux-live.org, not Gentoo's LiveCD.

And I was thinking that a cool project for a damn grad student or something would be to translate this code into Java or something to make it useable on literally all platforms like the Jake Engine which runs Quake 1/2 engines (I don't think you can actually play) in a JVM.

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#33: Java Cube

by Pxtl on 09/24/2004 14:43

Honestly, I was considering that myself - porting Cube (or Sauer) over to Java and migrating the network code over to JXTA, making it pure p2p. Then it would be awesome for instant messengers ("here, I'll send you this game that you can run anywhere, and we can play, no servers, no routing, since JXTA handles that").

Heheh, my final project course is next semester (comp eng) but I'd need my profs to greenlight that, and some groupmates. Still, the "I'm doing shit with games!" thing wouldn't be hard to get groupmates onboard with.

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#34: Compared to a debian network install

by JellyWerker who is stillnot getting the cookie renewal email on 09/24/2004 18:04

I don't think installing gentoo is that hard compared ti installing debian sarge from the groung up. Also, can we stop the linux variation bashing and just make a live-cd? the options for the base should be slimmed down to either morhpix or knoppix, using (preferably) xfce4, and a choice of two or three window managers with a few themes each, ie: blackbox, openbox, sawfish, and fluxbox, maybe iceWM, or WindowManager, then, add a few programs like the gimp, bash, abiword (or parts of openoffice, writer and calc), emacs, vim, mozilla firefox and thunderbird, some basic games (non-cube) and pack the rest of a 200mb cd with cube and LOTS of maps and mods and such, the other apps, (non-cube) are for using the cd to do something beside cube, (if you wanted to)

So now I think we need to stop argueing and make a cd.

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#35: ..

by GHak3r on 09/25/2004 02:25

I was thinking more along the lines of no window maker at all. Just run a generic i686 with as much video card support as possible (maybe include the nVidia configuration script at http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp for best nVidia support) and have users run a configuration script (like /usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig) to manually set monitor, video card, input, and network and then start the game up.

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#36: RPMs, ATI, and the Law

by GHak3r on 09/25/2004 02:46

Ok, http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_3.12.0.html entails information about Linux ATI card drivers. DAMN they're only in RPM format -- Knoppix might not be the way to go if we've got to have ATI support. Ok, http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=cd describes many Live Linux distributions. Aurox, Plan B, and RPM Live Linux CD are the only RedHat based live distro's that are listed on that page. (Yes, I'm reading this while I write).
Ahh more bad news. At http://www.nvidia.com/object/nv_swlicense.html it says:
2.1.1 Rights. Customer may install and use one copy of the SOFTWARE on a single computer, and except for making one back-up copy of the Software, may not otherwise copy the SOFTWARE. This LICENSE of SOFTWARE may not be shared or used concurrently on different computers.
This means that I can't put their installation script in the distribution. However I see no reason not to allow a script to directly download their software from http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6111/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run and install it from there using the wget command.
I can't seem to find legal information on http://www.ati.com. Someone who uses an ATI driver tell me what their license says and whether it is legal for us to redistribute it. I am e-mailing ATI right now.

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#37: ..

by GHak3r on 09/25/2004 02:49

Duhh I neglected to mention what I came here to say. Gentoo says that to run OpenGL Xorg is a dependency. So an X configuration script seems most appropriate.
I'm going to waste a lot of CDs, aren't I? I better install Bochs soon.

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#38: Gentoo and such

by JeelyWerker on 09/25/2004 08:35

Guy's I installed gentoo in two tries, and found it (personally) no harder to install than debian sarge network install, I CAN renew my cookie, if only the email would be sent to me, which it isn't, and I think there should be some form of light window manager and setup programs, NOT scripts, because many people who would download the cd may be windows or mac users, and not know how to run the scripts and such and there is another red hat based live-cd, it's called berry linux. Also, in reference to Pxtl comment " Thinks installing Gentoo is easy, but can't handle recovering his cookie on this board? Wierd." like I said, the email isn't working for me, and it's weird, not wierd

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#39: oops

by JellyWorker on 09/25/2004 08:44

I am not sure if berry linux is exact

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#40: BTW

by JellyWorker on 09/25/2004 08:45

My new name is JellyWorker, I got a new email acount and renewd as JellyWorker

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#41: ..

by GHak3r on 09/25/2004 18:13

I'm downloading Berry right now. http://berry.sourceforge.jp/
It is based on Fedora Core 2 and Knoppix (I guess he copied some Fedora libraries across and made Knoppix use them), kernel 2.6 (yay! no nVidia hardware configuration -- everything JUST WORKS in 2.6 using reverse engineered drivers!), and uses KDE.
So I'm thinking that I'm not even going to compile or anything -- I'm going to drop Cube into /usr/games and make a desktop icon and just see if it runs. If that works then I'll start stripping away software packages until the only things left are basic internet appliciations so that you can download maps and stuff and chat with your fellow gamers and the game itself.

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#42: other games?

by Pxtl on 09/25/2004 22:54

Could make this into a general OpenGL games distro - also include some other good Linux online standbys like Armagetron and BZFlag.

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#43: Oh...

by Pxtl on 09/25/2004 22:55

And lets not forget FreeDoom (with a source port) and Open Quartz (with Tenebrae).

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#44: ..

by samel on 10/06/2004 22:36

read the thread "cube is available on live cd". I found a dist llgp (linux live game project) that has allready started. http://tuxgamers.altervista.org/
they have cube and a lot of other games. they've released llgp-0.0.1. haven't tried it yet since I'm downloading in 3kb/s =( but hopefully it'll be what we're hoping for!

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