Warning to people using server mods

by eihrul on 10/07/2010 17:40, 40 messages, last message: 10/26/2010 17:27, 4905 views, last view: 05/03/2024 04:54

If I get on your server, see a cheater, and for some reason I can't auth and then kick that cheater, I will ban your server. You know who you are. That is all.

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#21: why

by Razgriz on 10/17/2010 03:14

do we really need to analyze "camping" right now? its what Hirato said, messing with the gameplay is bad, and will get your server banned. so unless you guys have something new to report to this thread, go talk about camping somewhere else, ok?

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#22: ..

by Osbios on 10/17/2010 15:02

If a player aims good, he is tough to hit.
(Because he's probably aiming on a disadvantaged area in the map, while he's on a advantaged area in the map.
Take as example the aimer is a place with enough cover and he strafe freely, while his opponent is getting spawned everytime close to the place where he died. A very good example of this is campo, wich has all its playerstarts close to each other when you play any teammode similar to ctf.)

Aiming actually does change the gameplay of a map, just like cheating does.
Even tough aiming cant be called cheating, maps or gameplay/flow updates shouldn't be designed that aiming gets promoted.
Another example where aiming gets promoted is mbt1.
Because there's nothing between each flag, it's very easy to kill the flagholder wich just wanted to score (while you just spawned).

:D

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#23: Re: ..

by Razgriz on 10/17/2010 17:41, refers to #22

its inevitable, people never read. eihrul made this topic for a reason, and unless you have something new to report, take any discussions about camping and the such ELSEWHERE! sheesh.

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#24: Re: ..

by tentus_ on 10/17/2010 18:48, refers to #23

If you read what he wrote, you'd see that it's actually quite clever. Please read before yelling at longtime forum members.

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#25: Re: .. osbios...

by suicizer01 on 10/17/2010 20:44, refers to #22

And how do you aim good? by modifications like playerskins, scripts, mods, etc.
That's why I dislike it, because you should play for fun, not for the win like those modifications make you are...

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#26: Re: .. osbios...

by baby~rabbit on 10/17/2010 22:38, refers to #25

practise

Now if we had a server that auto detected noob behaviour and spectated them, then that would be entertaining - but sadly likely also requiring banning because a big part of the gameplay is the utter nooblyage lack of tactics...

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#27: ..

by Osbios on 10/17/2010 23:22

@Razgriz:
its inevitable, people never read. eihrul made this topic for a reason, and unless you have something new to report, take any discussions about discussions and the such ELSEWHERE! sheesh.

:D

@suicizer01:
Didn't we just talked about camping and server scripts that guessed camping? Now you want to start a witch hunt agains people that dont use ball mouses anymore and dare to use option settings like fullbright playermodels?

The only unfair doing I have seen on servers was the use of a speedhack. And that was just trolling and not actually a try to win the game.

If camping makes a map unplayable in you opinion. Maybe the map is at "fault"? What was first there? The gameplay or the map?


Sauerbraten also allowes excessive bunny hopping. I'm awaiting a server script agains "that evil", too. ;)

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#28: Re: ..

by baby~rabbit on 10/17/2010 23:39, refers to #27

WTF IS WRONG WITH BUNNY HOPPING! xD

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#29: to osbios

by suicizer01 on 10/18/2010 18:04

No, I never said I wanted to start a witch hunt against people that arent using ball-mouses. I really dont get how you made up that idea...

I never said changing settings ingame are bad, like fullbrightplayermodels.
I only said modifiding playermodels (like skins), scripts and mods shouldnt be the way of playing...

I dont know how you made up the idea that bunnyhopping would be bad, because it only makes you easier to kill anyways (since sauerbraten has a very different flow compared to other games, strafing is much more effective than bunnyhopping)...

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#30: Re: to osbios

by |ice|sub-zero|L on 10/19/2010 00:47, refers to #29

"strafing is much more effective than bunnyhopping"

again, wtf are you talking about?

granted sometimes it easier to be hit hopping, but that had nothing to do with how the game was made, the game was made to the skill of a person to avoid being shot, and at the same time having good aim on another moving object, it has nothing to do with "which is better" it had to do with how smart and skilled are you, and how smart and skilled is your enemy.

and as for server mods with scripts that spec you for camping, again, they should be removed/banned from master server list because that is the one of the most dumb thing i have ever heard, and now specing for bunnyhopping, that should also be removed/banned.

and suicizer, don't take it personally that i rag on your post, it just has to do with the fact that you don't actually think when you post to this thread. i know you are tons smarter than this, but i read this and i go "omg, who dropped him on his head recently?"

3x1=31

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#31: Modified hudguns.

by MikomDude on 10/24/2010 02:55

Is using modified hudgun models hacking? Since they hardly improve your playing I'd say that modifying them is acceptable.

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#32: Re: Modified hudguns.

by Hirato Kirata on 10/24/2010 03:45, refers to #31

this is irrelevant
this is about SERVER mods, not CLIENT mods

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#33: Re: Modified hudguns.

by Razgriz on 10/24/2010 14:52, refers to #32

tell me about it, i just stopped shouting that people are idiots by going so WAY off-topic on a discussion of such importance. and yes, offense is not a mistake when people ignore you about it when they could have just started a new node.

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#34: Re: Modified hudguns.

by MikomDude on 10/24/2010 19:29, refers to #33

Wow, cool down guys. I was just asking, and since the host of a server could be using modified hudguns, it's not completely irrelevant. ;)

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#35: Re: Modified hudguns.

by |ice|sub-zero|L on 10/24/2010 23:17, refers to #34

MilkomDude, the hudguns are not being sent over the internet as packets, if it were that means that my model (ironsnoutx10k visor (found on quadropolis)) would be sent over, that is client side only and cannot be sent over unless eihrul wanted to mod the game for the next release to include such things (aka shared information) which isn't going to ever happen as far as models and huds go.

@Hirato Kirata and razgriz: though the topic is about server side modifications, it never hurts to include talking about client side mods, don't get so worried about getting off topic every once in a while, besides, if eihrul had a problem with it, he'd bring either this subject to a close (which i hope he doesn't because new people need to learn things) or remind us what the topic is and censor people who get off topic.

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#36: Re: Modified hudguns.

by MikomDude on 10/24/2010 23:53, refers to #35

OK thanks. I was just wondering since it is a mod of some sort.

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#37: Re: Modified hudguns.

by |ice|sub-zero|L on 10/25/2010 02:30, refers to #36

also, ignore these people who will rag on your stuff, and what not, they just like being trolls, if you need help, there are some people like me who will be nice enough to answer your questions. me (|Zen|subzero) Erik (as long as you don't piss him off) roto-rooter (awesome guy, he isn't as much of a pain to talk to) ect, ect. 'cause we know what its like to be a noob and how annoying it is when these trolls don't tell you anything.

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#38: Re: Modified hudguns.

by MikomDude on 10/25/2010 14:50, refers to #37

Hehe, ok thanks again :)
So you said you're using a modified player model, can you find more of these on quadropolis?

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#39: Re: Modified hudguns.

by |ice|sub-zero|L on 10/26/2010 00:45, refers to #38

ummm, i can, but i won't spam this thread with links, i am going to give you a custom google search and all you have to do is type in "hudguns" or "playermodels" or whatever you want to look up on quadropolis.us

http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=017692730397758560711:5tsysfxftnc

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#40: Re: Modified hudguns.

by MikomDude on 10/26/2010 17:27, refers to #39

Ok, thanks :)

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