Cube 2 Idea Mine - Discuss

by AlternateLives on 11/23/2011 19:53, 237 messages, last message: 03/22/2018 02:32, 248319 views, last view: 11/01/2024 21:27

After seeing idea after idea get shot down all over the place in these forums, it occurred to me that perhaps this thread might be a good idea.

Got an idea for a Cube 2 mod? Go ahead and get it out of your system and post it here. If you are a modder, scroll through these. Maybe one of them can give you some inspiration.

Note to developers and long-time forum users: this is not intended to be a place where future updates or changes to the game you know and love to be posted. This is merely a place where half-formed (but possibly good) ideas can be discussed at present value without having them immediately shot down.

On that note, the only rule: No attacking of ideas just because they are not implementable within the current engine.

Have fun!

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#213: ..

by asmanel on 01/27/2016 20:56

I suggest add circular light (as a new entity type or at extending the possibilities of the light entity), to avoid light problems with map imported from Cube.

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#214: ..

by suicizer03 on 01/28/2016 00:28

Maps imported from Cube isn't something to rely on very well.
/importcube an awesome feature, but nearly everything that makes a map being a map, is getting beaten up (from geometry being totally screwed till entities inside walls).
In the end; it's better to keep the rough layout (or carve it out from scratch and let the flow be more sizable) and build from there instead.

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#215: ..

by asmanel on 01/31/2016 00:14

Maybe you prefer restart from scratch but there are people who'd like play in Sauerbraten their old Cube maps without doing this.

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#216: Re: ..

by suicizer03 on 02/01/2016 13:23, refers to #215

You could better have asked an .obj importer for Cube Engine 2. That would make it way more compatible with other programs than it currently is.

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by hypernova^ on 02/01/2016 18:11, refers to #216

You mean OBJ-> Cube octree geometry? That would be awesome!

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by chasester on 02/07/2016 00:14

@hyper
cube oct-> OBj is what i think hes talking about. Currently its subpar and sometimes flips verts and does random stuff. And if its to big some times it just corrupts the entire thing, Tho cube really isnt a modeler, and shouldnt be used as such. Modelers can do what cube can do and more.

Obj->cube octree, would be almost impossible, and probably if it was implemented it would be buggy and touchy. A voxel is not a vert, verts are dynamic, voxels are static based on the positions of other voxels. You can do more research if you'd like more info on it, but its like converting from an 8 bit picture to a 32 bit picture, ya its plausible but its not always gonna end up pleasurable to the eye, its probably just easier to rebuild it 99% of the time.

@sauer gameplay
YA this is probably the worst "Feature" in sauer. Im suprised this hasnt been an issue in the past. It really has not playable value, it is very much about positioning and getting to the perks first (pickups). Kinda a lil skill a little luck, but honestly a good portion of the weapons are underpowered, or plain useless. Some weapons require so little aim, or skill to use where as others require great aim and skill yet very little reward. The reason every one uses the rocket launcher, is that the explosion radius is so large, and the fall off, is basically bullshit. Plus you can basically kill some one in one direct hit, Yet the rifle which takes a large amount of skill and no forgiveness (you either hit or you dont) has no reward, and does less damage then the direct hit rocket. You can shoot 4 or 5 rockets in the time it takes to shoot 2 rifle rounds. Even some one with poor aim can do more dps with a rocket launcher then a rifle. This is also true with the chain gun, but this really is only good at close range, though it does 30 damage every 300 mms. If you can hit every shot this is the highest dps, in the game. The spread on the shotgun is just weird its just way too random, and way to many rays, it really makes the weapon worthless, when the reload time is almost as long as the rifle, you will literally nv run out of shotgun ammo, because it takes way to long to shoot the amount of shots you are given.

Any number of things could fix this, although sadly I doubt any major changes to the weapons will be made. Simple things like increasing the damage fall off for the rocket launcher, and making the gun wait longer. Giving the rifle more damage, say 150. etc. or more advance features like weapon reloads, switch waits, damage fall off, direct hits/head shots, etc. These "advance features most people have implemented with in a few hours. It really isn't all that difficult. This probably falls in the same boat of fixing the client-server interactions to reduce cheats, or allowing getmaps in non coop edit modes.

Sadly its not gonna happen :(
chasester

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#219: ..

by asmanel on 02/07/2016 01:29

By the past, Cube was very popular. After, it's community moved to its successors, AssaultCube and Sauerbraten.

Unlike AssaultCube, Sauerbraten can't directly use Cube maps but convert them is easy. There are however, some problem and the main one is the light.

The use of spherical light, instead of the circular light used by Cube, turned darker and ugly most maps from Cube.

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#220: ..

by Zamwa on 08/12/2016 16:09

Dual wield weapons when nabbed a quad damage!

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#221: Re: ..

by Papriko on 08/15/2016 12:20, refers to #220

But then it also has to make you invulnerable, last 5 minutes and put everyone else into half speed.

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by hypernova on 08/15/2016 14:13, refers to #220

Would look odd for the weapons which are held by both hands :)

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by chasester on 08/18/2016 18:07

lol this is funny, but quad damage is a lil over powered. It basically means that you dont have to aim for the next 30 seconds, which to me seems a little pointless to the overall game structure.

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by hypernova on 08/19/2016 01:41, refers to #223

Oh no Chase, the aiming part is not correct. If you play competitive pickup modes, aim with the quad is even more important than without. Because a hit or a miss means the difference between a frag or loss of quad advantage (without quad, a 20% variation in accuracy doesn't make as much of a difference).

See these three pickup matches:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_5miEkTy4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnRTnE_RrA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTzBoUoSQo

You can see the quad is not only dangerous to take, but gives a huge responsibility for the person carrying it. They must rush the other player to make as many frags as possible, while the other player can take careful positions with spam or rifle shots.

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by chasester on 08/22/2016 16:06

no im not talking competitive ofc thats a very different game play. Nor am I talking duel. Which again is a very different gameplay (though this is true in any game so i think its a mute point talking about competitive play cuz tourneys will set custom rules if they feel they need to balance out the competition).

In a ffa match this is hardly the case due to players knowing very little about the game. This leads to many spawn kills and other types of agervating deaths. Im just saying it wouldnt be a bad idea to change the quad to make it something that required more skill, or required less skill to stop someone that has it.

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by suicizer03 on 09/26/2016 13:08, refers to #225

Perhaps the Quaddamage can multiply 3 times the damage instead of 4...

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#227: MULTIPLAYER

by Auri on 09/26/2016 20:48

hi guys, i'm new of this forum but i always played cube sauerbraten, but is like a few years that the multiplayer doesn't work anymore, can you help me ?

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by chasester on 09/27/2016 07:55

honestly 2 times would be enough but I feel that you couldnt call it quad :P

But think. The minium amount of damage a rocket can do is 10, so 30 vs 40. The goes all the way to 100 based on distance from the player (you know splash damage). So a normal rocket does from 10-100 where as quad can do from 40 - 400 or 3time would be 30-300. A direct hit from a rocket is 120 so again 480 or 360. If you give some one full armour and health the most damage they can take is 100 * 1 3/4 which is 300 so so 1 direct hit would kill and 2 splash damages would kill. If they have green armour this is only 200. blue is only 125 etc. so its not like it really matters.

If you take into account all other weapons.

chain gun 120 -> 90
rifle 400 -> 300
pistol 140 -> 105
rocket (direct) 480 -> 360
rocket (splash) 40-400 -> 30-300
Shot gun (per bullet) 80 -> 60
Shot gun (full hit) 800 -> 600
(fist and gl are really a mute point cuz they arent really used much)

The damage difference saying that the most health you can have (non boosted) is 175. You are still well over that at any range whether it be 4x or 3x.

-number of shot to kill full health-
chain gun 3 -> 4
rifle 1 -> 1
pistol 3 -> 3
rocket (direct) 1 -> 1
rocket (splash) 1-7 -> 1-10
Shot gun (per bullet) 4-> 5
Shot gun (full hit) 1 -> 1

It really doesnt change it all. It almost exactly the same. Except if you cant aim at all. You pretty much can one shot with most weapons or at least kill in a matter of a second.

This change really doesnt do much but add a small amount of penalty to the chain gun and splash rocket (but only if you cant aim worth shit).

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by chasester on 09/27/2016 08:00

sorrie i posted the wrong formula

its:

damage = damage - (damage*(armour+1)*25/100 > armour ? armour : damage*(armour+1)*25/100)

basically if armour absorption is above the amount of armour you have then just use the amount you have.

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#230: Re: MULTIPLAYER

by eihrul on 09/27/2016 18:38, refers to #227

Make sure you are using the latest version downloaded directly from our website, and not an older Linux distribution package.

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#231: Re: ..

by hypernova on 09/30/2016 22:21, refers to #228

I don't think we should be changing any core gameplay ideas right now. The reason I love sauer is because of its brutal oldskool style balance (based on QuakeWorld, which is even more difficult), 4x quad damage, and big armor pickups (again just like QW)
Everyone is making arena fps games nowadays, saying that we need to bring back the 'real skill' in fps games, but they are just copying Quake 3, and actually destroying the fps culture by making their games easier and easier. Compare QuakeWorld to a 'modern' arena fps game like Toxikk or Xonotic. Quake did it right 20 years ago in designing a pure arena fps. Every once in a while, a new, innovative idea was developed, but they never were absorbed by the general public. If I tell someone now that Half Life 2 Deathmatch is faster and harder than Sauerbraten, they laugh cause they have no idea what mean.
Let's keep Sauer hard and awesome :) Bringing it down to the level of an average gamer will only make things worse.

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#232: Re: ..

by suicizer03 on 10/01/2016 20:06, refers to #231

Instagib is truly hard to master...


Quake 1 was great, but the weapons weren't that balanced at all. So don't blame the game industry to rather get inspired by Quake 3 instead.

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