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by oversimplestic=fail on 03/06/2009 02:54

#11771: Re: running server on a machine with multiple network interf

by w23 on 03/06/2009 12:02, refers to #11769

oops, my bad. i'm sorry for being such a inattentive retard.
as i had some doubts, a huge lack of experience and knowledge, i've just wrote a simple pair of client/server to test, whether the response from server would come from the same ip, where client sent his packet. and it does not! the response is sent according to the routing table. however, this happens only when i listen to INADDR_ANY. when my server is bound to specific interface, it responses through the same (bound) interface, through which the packet came in, even if the routing table has a different route for the recipient.
so, binding to INADDR_ANY will work only for clients, who connect using proper interface (through which will routed pakcets go). this seems to be my case, because the server i intend to run sauer_client on is connected to several LANs with non-intersecting local address spaces. so the main question keeps unchanged: how to force enet engine to receive packets on all interfaces? this is an ugly, but will-work-for-me solution.
the proper solution for multi-interface problem, from my point of view, is to make several differents sockets for each interface, and keep track of what client came through which socket. this shouldn't break current protocol or client code. if the developers are not against it, i could look into implementing that.

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#11772: Re: LOL

by Julius on 03/06/2009 15:12, refers to #11768

I think it would be cool if the sniper would stay a crossbow, and the pistol should be a modern semi automatic. Otherwise I am fine with the new weapons in principle.

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#11773: ..

by Fischkopf on 03/06/2009 18:34

I dont like the new Weapons at all. They look too realistic for a Quake style game like Sauerbraten. AND they look a bit small.

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#11774: Re: ..

by Julius on 03/06/2009 20:54, refers to #11773

"AND they look a bit small."

That is purely a question of relative position in the hud.

Currently they are positioned IMHO really badly. First they are positioned way to far to the right and too low, and thus have this strange angle towards the crosshair, and then they might also benefit from being closer to the "screen", but that has to be tested.

@ But actually I wonder why this new art direction (which in general isn't a bad idea) is not reflected in the new player-model at all :-/

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#11775: ..

by Geartrooper on 03/06/2009 21:34

too realistic, bad anims, bad skins. If I please one of you the rest will suffer. So screw all of ye. :D

Too realistic? Is that a complaint?

Bad anims. Bad how? How are they worse than the previous anims?

Unfinished skins. What would you do to improve them?

The difference between this set of guns and the previous set is there is a direction for the art. Some of you may understand with a single title of a movie. 'Army of Darkness'. Others may understand with the return to Doom style weapons.

At least give feedback.

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#11776: Re: ..

by MovingTarget on 03/06/2009 22:15, refers to #11775

The pistol animation:
The entire hand + pistol goes backwards, neither moving relative to the other. The barrel of the gun is so much higher than the joint of the guys wrist, the barrel should move more back than the hand.

The shotgun animation:
The other guns have much more recoil... what does this gun move, an inch?!? The reload animation is cool.

The rifle animation:
I like this one, especially the reload.

The rocket launcher animation:
It goes backwards too smoothly and slowly.

The grenade launcher animation:
See above.

The chaingun animation:
Nothing wrong.

The fist animation:
Nice.


Did I miss any?

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#11777: ..

by Julius on 03/07/2009 00:35

About the skins:

The chain-gun, the grenade-launcher and to a certain extent the shotgun give you the impression that they do not actually have a skin other that a solid grey texture with some noise applied.

In fact this is what I thought when I said these are obviously WIP, but a quick look at the actual texture .pngs did show me that you actually painted the skin this way.

And this simply does not work/look good in a game as a real world metal surface would have a subtle chrome like reflection which can not be rendered properly in game (yet).

To make it look good vary the lightness of the grey much more in bigger surfaces, not just at the edges sort of like this example:
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1321/1201227114.jpg

Also notice how certain parts have a more blueish hue and others (to a lesser extent) a greenish. You can also experiment with red or yellow ones.

Overall I would also say that you should break up the bleak grey look with some black "plastic" surfaces, or add some (worn off) paint, especially more towards the back/grip of the guns. The barrels can stay more or less grey like that.

Example of a real world weapon with paint applied:
http://rat-hunter.com/stories/2006/grenade-launcher/grenade-launcher.jpg

Or this one which shows both black plasics and parts painted black:
http://www.crewchiefpb.com/mega_gallery/albums/gallery/work/normal_work041.jpg

But varying the hue a bit will probably already do wonders.

Also as a general suggestion to blend the realistic weapon look with the otherwise more futuristic style, one could add little screens showing "stuff" to the weapons.

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#11778: ..

by Julius on 03/07/2009 00:38

P.S.: Please consider making a nice crossbow sniper instead, as the rifle looks currently way to small, but increasing the size would make it way to long (as a real rifle actually is... impossible to run around with it like that).

Something simple with a scope like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Recurve_crossbow_with_bolts.jpg

would be perfect.

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#11779: ..

by Julius on 03/07/2009 00:49

P.P.S.: A quick tutorial I found on the hue issue:

http://www.game-artist.net/forums/spotlight-articles/412-tutorial-scar-l-rifle.html

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#11780: ..

by Julius on 03/07/2009 01:00

P.P.P.S.: Rendering out an ambient occlusion texture overlay will probably also work really nice.

tut:
http://donaldphan.com/tutorials/xnormal/xnormal_occ.html

with xnormal:
http://www.xnormal.net

It is also possible to "bake" ambient occlusion maps directly from Blender AFAIK.

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#11781: ..

by Julius on 03/07/2009 01:00

Tut for blender here:

http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Howto:_Add_smooth_(%22Ambient_Occlusion%22)_shadows_in_Blender

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#11782: ..

by Julius on 03/07/2009 01:01

Just don't overdo the AO as the real lightning should still come from the engine itself ;)

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#11783: ..

by Geartrooper on 03/07/2009 03:09

Ok, I'll file your suggestions...

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#11784: Message censored by administrator

by wl;djishdkljasiohi2y834 on 03/07/2009 05:38

#11785: ..

by Maxime -Max of S2D- Lebled on 03/07/2009 09:18

A little question: will we have the new model displayed with Snout and the old, brown ones when choosing Mr. Fixit?

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#11786: Re: ..

by eihrul on 03/07/2009 10:18, refers to #11785

No. The guns are the same for both, but the hands holding them are different - one set of hands for Snout X10K and one set for Mr. Fixit.

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#11787: Re: ..

by axmaniac on 03/07/2009 13:31, refers to #11726

<<try setting the flip qury size to 0 ( have no clue if youcan do this in Nix) but I know it causes problems with sauer if set higher then 3 a>>

where is is option??

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#11788: Re: ..

by Julius on 03/07/2009 16:53, refers to #11783

"Ok, I'll file your suggestions..."

Sounds like the typical "file & forget" :p

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#11789: Re: ..

by SheeEttin on 03/07/2009 18:39, refers to #11787

Probably in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Have you made any funky modifications in there (or, since you're using the ATI Catalyst driver, the Catalyst Control Center)?

I'd also try reinstalling the drivers. Incomplete installations have been known to cause things like this.

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