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#11399: Licensing Question

by kripken on 10/29/2008 10:33

I hope this is the right place to ask this.

Long-time Sauerbraten player here, and now I'm considering use the Sauerbraten engine in a project of mine. I read the license and readme carefully, and I understand that source files in /src are zlib (and MIT) licensed, but data isn't. By data, I guess all the sounds, textures, models, maps, etc., under /packages are intended. Makes sense.

My question is, where does this leave the source code files in /data? For example, stdshader.cfg, this is 2500 lines of source code, even though it's in a folder called /data - so is this zlib licensed, or not? No licensing information seems to be present (the license file mentions only /src as a directory with zlib licensed files). In fact in Debian, these files are in sauerbraten-data, which is non-free.

If stdshader.cfg isn't zlib, then I guess I can't use the Sauerbraten engine for my project, which I intend to be open source (rewriting all of stdshader.cfg looks like quite a lot of work).

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#11400: Re: Licensing Question

by eihrul on 10/29/2008 14:38, refers to #11399

The .cfg files are zlib too.

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#11401: Re: Licensing Question

by kripken on 10/29/2008 15:27, refers to #11400

> The .cfg files are zlib too.

Thank you for the clarification, that is very good to know.

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#11402: Re: Licensing Question

by SheeEttin on 10/29/2008 20:46, refers to #11400

How about Sauer logos, etc.?

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#11403: Re: Licensing Question

by eihrul on 10/29/2008 21:29, refers to #11402

public domain

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#11404: Randomness

by Pelle on 10/30/2008 10:13

Why are my monsters and triggers sometimes active, and sometimes not? Sometimes they activate if I re-load the map, sometimes not. What to do? I\'m supposed to send the map to be reviewed, so I must be sure it works when the rewiever opens it.

(by active I mean showing up when I go to FPS mode from edit mode)

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#11405: Re: Randomness

by Kaomè on 11/04/2008 19:54, refers to #11404

Maybe because the gametype is not everytimes single player. If you start a sp map in FFA, you won't see any monster as the gamemode is about to fight against other player.

About the gamemode: a rocket arena may be do by reducing the damage (eg, by a factor of 4, as monster damage => a player is a monster for himself?) of a player's grenades or rockets. (These are "owned" by the player in the code...).

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#11406: Sauerbraten doesn't start on Suse11.0

by Nachtmeister on 11/06/2008 21:03

I installed Sauerbraten from the Suse-Repository via Yast2.
Installation was good and without any faults or messages.
When I try to start Sauerbraten the program is shown in the taskbar for about 30 seconds and dissapears. No window will open.
I hope that somebody will be able to help me.

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#11407: Re: Sauerbraten doesn't start on Suse11.0

by Quin on 11/06/2008 21:16, refers to #11406

You have two options:

* Uninstall the version provided by your distro and use one of the files provided here: http://www.cubeengine.com/files.php4
* Talk to your distro/package maintainer for that particular package.

Note that only in the first case can we truly help you, packages provided by other people are mostly unsupported due to the fact they are more than often out of date.

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#11408: Re: Sauerbraten doesn't start on Suse11.0

by SheeEttin on 11/07/2008 17:32, refers to #11406

It only appears in the task manager because KDE is stupid and doesn't know when a program has exited or started up.

If you start it from the command line, it should give you some errors.

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#11409: Bauul Skin

by tentus_ on 11/08/2008 18:44

I was poking around in the models directory and noticed that the readme for the bauul actually encourages replacement skins:
"I also hope someone does some better ctf skins, mine are quite bad."

I've started work on a 512x512 and 1024x1024 skin so that people with high-end machines can swap the skins out in order to get a slightly prettier monster. (Oh the irony.) Any requests or advice? I'm not looking to variate from the current skin very much, but I don't want this to simply be a scale-up.

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#11410: Re: Bauul Skin

by demosthenes on 11/08/2008 20:46, refers to #11409

Something a little less garish in color would not hurt. I don't know what direction you'd take it to make it less garish, but it would certainly be somewhat better.

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#11411: RPG Multiplayer

by mrlemke on 11/09/2008 20:01

Is it possible to make the RPG portion of sauebraten multiplayer?

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#11412: Re: RPG Multiplayer

by demosthenes on 11/09/2008 21:11, refers to #11411

Yes.

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#11413: primers for game engine design

by crich70 on 11/10/2008 23:16

I've been playing around with cube for some time and was wondering if someone can suggest some good basic books for creating a game engine not unlike the cube engine. I'm not under any illusions that building one is an easy task or anything like that. I just want to be able to study how it is done to get a better understanding of the programming needed. Thanks.

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#11414: Re: primers for game engine design

by demosthenes on 11/11/2008 00:36, refers to #11413

http://www.google.com/search?q=algorithm+design

A good thing to know.

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#11415: Graphics

by qwerty123456 on 11/11/2008 00:52

How can I tune sauer to run on low-end systems? I have a laptop with a bad gfx card, but Id like to map on it, so I was thinking on turning alot off stuff off... is there a config or something I can edit?

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#11416: Re: Graphics

by SheeEttin on 11/11/2008 03:10, refers to #11415

http://sauerbraten.org/docs/config.html
Try -f0.

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#11417: Re: primers for game engine design

by eihrul on 11/11/2008 03:45, refers to #11413

The OpenGL Programming Guide is at least essential reading.

As for books on building engines themselves, I can't really recommend any - the last ones I read may have been 10 years ago and they were no good then either. :) I guess just search around on Amazon and see what other people have reviewed well for that.

After you have read through The OpenGL Programming Guide (a.k.a. "the red book"), you may just want to play around with simpler tutorials or look at how some simpler OpenGL games work. This will probably be more constructive than any game engine book.

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#11418: Re: Graphics

by qwerty123456 on 11/11/2008 14:38, refers to #11416

ok thanks

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