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#10505: Re: ..

by tentus_ on 05/12/2008 05:24, refers to #10504

Before I say anything else, let me point out that this isn't my decision, it's Aard and eihrul's. But here's the reasoning:

You're right, we have no right to tell you not to use a controller. But we do have the right to say "we're not going to code it, do it yourself." And that is exactly what has happened in the past.

It my personal opinion (along with many, many thousands of other gamers across the globe) that no joystick has a chance against the precision and speed of a mouse. This is why almost every console FPS game has at least some form of auto-aiming built into it. I would go so far to say that the evidence already in existence could be used as factual proof that mouse > joystick, at least for first person shooters. I am convinced that a proper study would confirm this (though who in their right mind would bother doing such a study?)

We are telling you how to play, sort of. We're telling you how to play /better/, because WASD+mouse is simply better than two joysticks and a couple of shoulder buttons. Sorry if that's news to you.


By the way, congratulations on making a fool of yourself. There are countless methods of informing us of your differing opinion, almost all of which are more effective than "yelling" and using pseudo-profanity and terrible grammar.

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#10506: ..

by ACCESSGRANTED on 05/12/2008 05:30

We are telling you how to play, sort of. We're telling you how to play /better/, because WASD+mouse is simply better than two joysticks and a couple of shoulder buttons. Sorry if that's news to you.

thats still your opinion
and it means SHI^
personly i like KB and mouse over a joypad and I don't care if its added or not but if some one else wants to use one far be it from me to say the KB IS BETTER USE IT if I have more fun sitting back in my lazy boy with a dpad a 2 joy sticks then sitting at my desk who are you to say thats wrong or tell me its better

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#10507: Re: can i turn off strafe?

by nefnoerrorsfound on 05/12/2008 15:59, refers to #10503

I don't see how that would discourage people, unless they're using a Nintendo 64 controller. Console FPSs use the left analog for movement (in place of keyboard buttons such as WASD, or the ESDF I use) and the right for looking (in place of mouse) by default. They have no reason for turning.

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#10508: Re: can i turn off strafe?

by tentus_ on 05/12/2008 17:24, refers to #10507

Right joystick = keypad. If you're ever trying to bind a USB controller to game actions, it's essentially just a matter of associating the buttons and sticks with existing keys, like A and D.

Please consider the following quote ( http://cubeengine.com/forum.php4?action=display_thread&thread_id=804#26421 )
"the use of joysticks with sauerbraten is so pointless in the general case, that I see no reason for it to be in the main code. We generally want to keep to code small & simple, no room for code thats not used. In addition to that, we want to promote those few console-only people that are stubborn about using a mouse to try it :)"

Here's the joystick mod, btw: http://www.quadropolis.us/node/571

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#10509: Help with Monsters and Guns

by trfcrugby on 05/12/2008 20:27

I have two problems, and I assume they are related.

I want to change the monster speed, damage, hp, etc. I found a file called monster.h that has all the stats, but any changes I make have zero effect in the game. The same goes for the weapons. I make changes to the weapons.h file, and there are no changes in-game.

I can't find this anywhere, and I have searched and searched.

Thanks...

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#10510: Re: Help with Monsters and Guns

by MovingTarget on 05/12/2008 20:37, refers to #10509

*sigh*
The files are written in a language called C++. Ever heard of it?
For the changes to take effect, you must recompile the source code.
For instructions, look to the wiki:
http://cube.wikispaces.com/Building+and+Compiling

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#10511: Re: can i turn off strafe?

by tman_elite on 05/12/2008 21:18, refers to #10507

Sauer is simply too fast-paced for joysticks. If you think about it, the reason for moving so slow in games like Halo is probably so you can keep up with the joystick. If you try playing a fast-paced game like Sauer with a console controller you'll soon wish you had aim-assist or enemies that move a lot slower...

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#10512: Re: can i turn off strafe?

by skenagle on 05/12/2008 21:22, refers to #10503

ok thank you.

Im not really trying to increase my game scores by turning off strafe.. as i know strafing is the only way to frag.
(dont worry, i am not going to say that my scores are low when i turn off strafing)

:)

but i am playing around with the engine a bit and seeing how to change things and move ideas around in my head as i look at this product and really appreciate its dimensions.

So i can install that old joystick mod,then map the keys to turn?

is that what you are saying?

thank you
skenagle

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#10513: Re: Fullbright

by SheeEttin on 05/12/2008 21:31, refers to #10502

Try editing line 1486 (or so) in engine/lightmap.cpp from
if(nolights || (fullbright && editmode) || lightmaps.empty())
to
if(nolights || (fullbright) || lightmaps.empty())

If that's not the one, try editing line 1500 in the same way.

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#10514: Some useful freeware modeling links

by crich70 on 05/13/2008 15:08

http://www.bakhter.com/html/freeware/game_software.html
Found this link while looking around for freeware help to use some character creation programs. One I found very interesting was www.blenderunderground.com which has video tutorials on how to use blender.

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#10515: RE: Monsters and Weapons

by trfcrugby on 05/14/2008 06:48

So I got the compiler done, and made some changes to the weapons and monsters. Thanks for the help :)

But, now my menu does not work. It comes up, but the mouse does not work on the menu. Ideas?

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#10516: compiling Sauerbraten on Solaris

by Commodore-Freak on 05/14/2008 18:30

Good evening...
Does anyone have a clue how to compile a recent Sauerbraten on Solaris?
There are spec files available for spring edition, but not for the recent sources.
I tried to modify the solaris-patch for the Makefile as good as I could to work on the recent assassin-edition as well, but I still got some problems...
I\'m sure someone with more experience would be able to solve them.

That\'s what my Makefile looks like now:
http://yafu.wh-forum.de/1653354982/Makefile

And this is the error i get:

Undefined first referenced
symbol in file
gzopen shared/tools.o
gzread fpsgame/fps-standalone.o
gzclose fpsgame/fps-standalone.o
gzdopen fpsgame/fps-standalone.o
gzwrite fpsgame/fps-standalone.o
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to sauer_server
collect2: ld gab 1 als Ende-Status zurück
gmake: *** [server] Error 1

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#10517: Re: Monsters and Weapons

by Quin on 05/15/2008 10:24, refers to #10515

You need to upgrade MingW.

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#10518: Decals

by tentus_ on 05/15/2008 19:08

For the decals in CVS, is there a variable to change how long they stick around? I have a pretty good video card, and would like to use some of those spare frames on leaving a bigger footprint on the maps while I play. It's just so badass to have long lines of chaingun holes left behind after each firefight.

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#10519: ..

by ACCESS{-}GRANTED on 05/15/2008 20:24

yes
/decalfadetime MS iirc

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#10520: ..

by ACCESS{-}GRANTED on 05/15/2008 20:27

ops its /decalfade default is 1000 max is 6000
have fun writing your name in lead

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#10521: Re: ..

by tentus_ on 05/16/2008 00:22, refers to #10520

Heh heh, thanks. Though the max is 60000, not 6000.

Fun times!

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#10522: ..

by me5399 on 05/16/2008 01:30

What is the command to show the material gui screen? (Water, magma, noclip, clip, etc.)

I need to rebind it.

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#10523: Default Keys

by aceman on 05/16/2008 12:32

hi i am just wondering if anybody knows how to change the default keys. because im on a laptop and its quite hard to use th scope with the clicks being so far apart and to the left of the arrows while im right handed.

I tried changeing them in the menu but it doesnt let you do anything only shows you the default keys.

Thanks

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#10524: Re: Default Keys

by Hirato Kirata on 05/16/2008 13:27, refers to #10523

can't you use WASD to move around like pretty much everyone else?

you can always change the button, say for example (if you're using a mouse) you can try

/bind mouse3 [zoom (if (= $zoom 1) -1 1)]

that'll make the middle mouse button toggle the zoom :)

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