use an IM?

by CC_machine4 on 06/25/2006 00:11, 47 messages, last message: 09/06/2006 04:35, 12010 views, last view: 05/18/2024 15:45

who here uses an IM like MSN, jabber, yim, aim etc?

post ur address(es) if you want, let's all add eachother!

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#22: Re: ..

by Passa on 07/01/2006 01:32, refers to #20

Err, what are you on about, you can run homebrew crap on PCs fine. Thats why Microsoft made Visual Studio.

Also, Linux is years behind Windows; Windows is actually much easier to use to the average consumer, Linux requires too much maintainence. There are no Linux distros that are mature yet. None that can compete with the polished finish of Windows and Mac OSX.

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#23: Re: ..

by MeatROme on 07/01/2006 01:58, refers to #22

Apart from this being OT (off topic):

I agree - a "basic user" will be better of with Windows, but ... "polished finish".
Haven't tried Mac OS X ... but since I know it's based on BSD I guess it's pretty stable and reliable.
BTW - BSD is a *nix ...

What Visual Studio (==$$$) can empower coders (not the general basic user) to do to Windoze machines the basic shell commands of linux empower any user to do.
I know most users don't care to read into the stuff they are using,
they wanna hit OK, OK, OK, PLAY.
You see 1000 of those in this forum every day.

THAT is the problem.
THAT is also the KEY concept behind linux : transparency.
I used to support Windows-Systems as a job for years and even the M$ certified (MouseMover, SystemEngineer, Professional, ...) sometimes cannot explain a certain problem ...
... the general solution to a windows bug is : reboot.
linux servers generally only get rebooted if you changed hardware or the kernel.
the system is a lot more stable than anything coming out of Redmond.
About empowering:
Try doing stuff like grep, locate, awk or cut on a windows machine and you will end up in tears very soon.
I mean just trying to compare "grep" (*nix) to "find" (M$) would be like comparing the Antartic to an icecube in your coke ....
You can't even tell "find" to NOT output the damn filename - even if it only got one passed as argument it will print it.
VERY inconvenient.

M$ is all about TAKING power out of users hands.
*nix is all about PUTTING power into the hands of the user - but power is responsibility and that always comes with a backpack full of readme's and hours taken to grasp the concept.

But I've found (and so have countless others) that the information thus gained stays with you and will even endure long times of negligence and will still bud with new insights if renurtured ...

In the end it's a personal choice:
Either you
- Wanna know & control?
you'll need to know ...
or you
- Wanna have "Big Brother" Bill looking over your shoulder,
holding your hand and telling you "unknown error occured in #556"
(with no way to find out what #556 means)

To repeat:
a user will still be better off with Windoze - just because of the ease of usage... but a nice linux server on the local LAN is definitely a wise move even for them - just in case they want to get something DONE ;-)

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#24: Re: ..

by Passa on 07/01/2006 09:33, refers to #23

My server for my LAN is a Linux box, its never used for any other purposes (I use to use a Windows one).

It does the job, its actually a laptop running Kubuntu.

I don't even dual-boot Linux, if I want to test something I do it with Virtual PC (a Microsoft product ;)

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#25: ..

by pushplay on 07/01/2006 22:14

>linux is ... a more efficient OS

>Linux is great cos its simple

Ken Thompson doesn't agree.

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#26: Re: ..

by MeatROme on 07/01/2006 22:27, refers to #25

how do you figure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Thompson_%28computer_programmer%29

but if you were quoting me with "linux is great coz it's simple" - that would have been a mis-quote.
I never intended to say linux was simple,
It just has a clear structure one can learn and which will only change over time if the community agrees on this.
Not like the dictatorial approach of M$ where they change "the way it's done" from each version to the next - which I guess they do to keep people dependent on M$-certification papers.

see #11 in this thread ...
"In absinth veritas!" :)

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#27: Re: ..

by pushplay on 07/02/2006 00:44, refers to #26

He came to the u of a and said as much.

Actually he seemed pretty disappointed with just about every technology. I felt bad for the guy, he obviously expected some sort of utopia.

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#28: Re: ..

by TentusResurrect on 07/02/2006 16:32, refers to #22

What about Redhat? I have a 12 year old brother whom I purhcased Redhat for about a year ago, and he has yet to complain about it not being "mature" or any such synonym. And this is the kid that hands me my arse in Cube and Sauer, and made several of the CL maps.

I find that making generalizations about Linux, particularly in this community, is kinda dangerous. There are tons of people here who use Linux for it's better performance and don't seem to run into problems, probably stemming from the fact that they read the readme (which, btw, is named as such not just for Linux... funy how "readme" seems to have lost its self-explainatory meaning.)

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#29: ..

by CC_machine4 on 07/02/2006 17:07

-.-

....

omg

stop arguing about linux ffs!

there is such a thing as e-mail and.. wait.. why couldnt you argue this on an IM?

my MSN: CC_machine[at]hotmail.co.uk
my jabber: ccmachine[at]jabber.org/home

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#30: ..

by Max of S2D [Fr] on 07/03/2006 09:26

Warning : By left your IM here, your accounts can be hacked...

Sims2Download@hotmail.fr

=D I'm stupid.

(press Submit... >_< PRESS SUBMIT !)

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#31: Re: ..

by CC_machine4 on 07/03/2006 22:40, refers to #30

no, your account can only be hacked if someone can guess your password or secret answer....

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#32: Re: linux

by CC_machine4 on 07/06/2006 19:00, refers to #32

you're very funny prax.

anyway.... who else uses an IM?

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#33: Re: linux

by rancor on 07/06/2006 21:34, refers to #32

AIM: rancorbeast1
I have accounts on Google Talk, YIM, and Skype; email if you happen to need to use one of those.

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#34: Re: ..

by smegal on 07/07/2006 13:39, refers to #22

> linux is years behind windows

erm...
linux has had great features since it was " a twinkle in Linus' eye ". Features that are only just coming into the next version of windows. windows doesnt even include a proper firewall by default!
and your generalisations about linux is not really fair. Linux can cater for all computing tasks. Also, lets not forget about the other OSes, osx ( ;) passa), Solaris, now free, *BSD. ok, these may not have such a wide range of uses as linux but they are all strong OSes. Some ppl take the piss outta linux when they havent even tried it! there is a LOT of crap about linux and other oses out there on the web and from the mouths of certain ppl... dont take it all at face value.

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#35: Re: ..

by CC_machine4 on 07/07/2006 16:34, refers to #34

for
fucks
sake

this thread is for talking bout IMs, not a linux-win war...

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#36: ..

by Greywhind on 07/07/2006 20:29

Just to clarify what Boot Camp is (since I am using OS X and have it installed), it is a simple system set up by Apple to allow Windows to dual-boot with MacOS on Apple hardware. If I had a copy of Windows, I'd be using OS X and Windows on the same computer. I have already installed Ubuntu Linux, which I am very happy with, alongside OS X.

By the way, I'm now using an Intel iMac 17" with 1.83 GHz processor, 512 mb ram, and an ATI X1600 graphics card with 128mb vram. It's wonderful.

Anyone who doubts Linux' power should visit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CgqWlX_GsI

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#37: CC_machine4

by pushplay on 07/08/2006 02:56, refers to #35

The internet was built so nerds could argue about oses, editors, and star trek. Any other use is just a happy accident.

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#38: Re: CC_machine4

by TentusResurrect on 07/08/2006 04:09, refers to #37

and pr0n! a special kind of accident happened with that (was DARPA planning to turn all it's enemies into wankers?)

oh yeah, i should post on topic for once. :)
I use gmail's on-page chat (that is to say, I have a permanent "leave me alone" on gmail's chat feature).

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#39: ..

by Zorro on 07/10/2006 01:39

When windows compleatly dies and I have to reinstall it I get so incredibly pissed off. Out of the box, the only use I can make out of windows is.... damn I cant even think of one. first thing I do is go and download firefox (and watch the download fail the first few times in IE) and then download all of the programs I use. I would say a good 95% of them are utilities and doodads originally written for *NIX. Three weeks later the cycle repeats.

Meanwhile I have Gentoo Linux installed on another few partitions of my hard drive. This has remained stable since the day I installed it 6 months ago and it all happed at no cost at all to me. All of the software installed in this OS is free and OpenSource except for a few games and limewire. When there are problems, they are usually caused by the user (and if the user has the slightest idea what the're doing, the'll know what they did or at least what is acting up so they can fix it.)

Linux itself is only the kernel of the operating system, you could have a Linux based Operating system in under 10 megabytes, and they have been fit onto bootable floppys with enough functionality to connect to the internet. Since it's opensource, it goes alot of places and is used for a lot of tasks you couldnt dream of using windows for.

My ranting isnt solving much so I'll just make one more quick point: UNIX ftw w00t :P

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#40: Re: ..

by pushplay on 07/10/2006 05:31, refers to #39

> Three weeks later the cycle repeats.

Well that's really telling.

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#41: Re: ..

by CC_machine4 on 07/10/2006 19:39, refers to #39

this thread's title: use an IM?

stop argueing offtopic ffs!

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