Racist (and not only) Red Eclipse administration

by peegnowwac on 02/11/2013 19:44, 25 messages, last message: 02/13/2013 08:14, 5613 views, last view: 05/18/2024 21:44, closed on 02/13/2013 08:51

TL;DR: http://pastebin.com/9gGwxUxm

For full logs seekers:
Log from the game: http://pastebin.com/pJxqPYMh
Log from #redeclipse: http://pastebin.com/jLphkAFP

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by peegnowwac on 02/11/2013 19:53

Part of file guidlines.txt (guidelines of Red Eclipse master server), created by quin:

Players must behave in a manner that is not disruptive to the game.
Cussing is fine, so long as it doesn't involve bigotry (racist, religious, or sexually derogatory [gender or orientation] remarks)

Moderators must act in a fair and impartial manner ...
Failure by a moderator to follow or uphold the rules may result in their access being immediately revoked, without warning.

http://redeclipse.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/redeclipse/doc/guidelines.txt?revision=4890&view=markup

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by peegnowwac on 02/11/2013 21:01

What do you think about that situation? Can we do anything? I don't think so, when developers and moderators don't see any problem. Then should we just let global administrators/moderators be assholes like this? Maybe spreading info here will help?

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by Julius on 02/11/2013 21:29

You know... even as a non-Pakistani who has worked quite some time in Pakistan (mostly KPK) I have to agree those comments are EXTREMELY offensive... but you know stupid guys on the internet... just let it go and be the better man.

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by Julius on 02/11/2013 22:11

P.S.: But cut Quin a bit of slack... that guy just got a baby... probably didn't get much sleep the last couple of weeks, and isn't paid for babysitting the internet.

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by peegnowwac on 02/11/2013 22:52

I see that you agree but you also posted something funny. :)

To make it clear, I'm not cocomo.

And what is funny? Babysitting. The only one to babysit in that situation is ZeroKnight, using offensive and obviously racist language. He has administrator privileges from a developer. And developers don't care at all about him being racist, to not say that quin is supporting him (I don't need to quote him once again, do I?). The result of cocomo's complaining was ban on #redeclipse. Maybe when more people will get info about that situation Red Eclipse administration will stop being cunts? Even if not, well, I can't do much more.

I don't care at all about quin's or ZeroKnight's problems. Everyone has some problems. I don't see how can it explain racism.
"Let's make baby, so we can laugh at black idiots"? I really don't get it.

Just when you see something like this you are losing desire to play, not bad, game.

Thanks for answer.

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by suicizer01 on 02/11/2013 23:01, refers to #5

In this case, cocomo did provoke a,certain flameswar, which makes him the cause of it. Nevertheless, zeroknight should hve acted a little more professionl by not reacting with any isult back towards cocomo.

So both players have made a mistake.
Is this enough to actually un-moderate zeroknight? If that's his only record so far, my opinion would be no; just give him a slight warning of his behavior.

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by Zamwa on 02/11/2013 23:09

From looking at the full log, it looks like it started out as just having fun typing some ownage then <[BLAZ3] cocomo> said "loser" then rather than everyone keeping there cool! Everyone got excited to flame thus by default no one person is at fault anymore!

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by suicizer01 on 02/12/2013 00:55, refers to #7

That's the worst consideration I've seen for such situation.

Good job, you did it again.

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by Zamwa on 02/12/2013 02:07, refers to #8

It's true no one person is at fault, everyone is at fault! They should be ashamed of them selves!

I'm trying My best to get out of the blame game your right!

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by Razgriz on 02/12/2013 11:32

Needless to say i won't bother reading the game log until someone cleans up all the frags from it so it actually becomes readable.

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by cocomo on 02/12/2013 12:33

Ty pewgnowwac for highlighting this..
I just said loser. And Zero reacted the way he did. Should he be a Global mod? According to the guidlines swearing is allowed but not racism.
The problem is i have been muted by Zero/Ginger several times before, Just because I called him a loser when i win from him or ask him to duel me.
Whenever i said i've been muted by zero/ginger unjustly Quin overlooked misuse of mod power by them. I don't need babysitting I just reported that zero was in clear violation of RE guidelines and i got banned for reporting it.
If he thinks I was starting a flamewar, he and ginger could've warned me but they were as much taking part in it as me. by calling me to 'suck it' n 'you suck' stuff like that.

I just ask Quin to uphold the guideline that he constituted himself

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by Quin on 02/12/2013 14:15

To put this into context for everyone: cocomo is consistently a disruptive influence in online games, ZeroKnight's response, while offensive, is due to a steady stream of bullshit coming from this one player. This isn't the first time they've been punished, and I daresay not the last.

Spreading your (out of context) FUD here won't help you at all. Any number of us, including myself, could have closed this topic already, but I won't. I personally think this serves as a good demonstration of how I am expected to babysit a bunch of people playing a game.

Yes, I agree ZeroKnight has a greater responsibility to behave, but fuck, even I have momentary lapses of judgement where I lash out at some dickwad who has pushed me just one step too far. If you can't say you've experienced this on the internet you're either a zombie, labotomised, or Jesus.

Seriously guys, get the fuck over yourselves and move on. It's not like you can't still play the damn game. Maybe learn how to keep your mouth shut for once so you don't attract this kind of negative attention in the future?

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by suicizer01 on 02/12/2013 14:37, refers to #12

One of the Gods of Red Eclipse has spoken...

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by Visant on 02/12/2013 14:54, refers to #12

Personally I don't think that anything explains words like this.
If what you write in first paragraph is really true then my... FUD? (I just pasted logs about which people were talking) can be out of context. cocomo asked you for any example of his "disruptive influence in online games" and his "bullshit" and so far nobody showed anything confirming what you are saying (and looks like nobody is interested or can do it) and cocomo says that it's not truth. So kinda your word vs his word but people on IRC channel can confirm cocomo version and nobody confirmed yours. Then I don't think that logs are out of context.

But whatever, have fun, see you in game.

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by suicizer01 on 02/12/2013 16:12, refers to #14

Nobody has to confirm his as he is the developer of Red Eclipse. So it doesn't matter if cocomo and you jump high or low, Quin's word is law.

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by cocomo on 02/12/2013 16:36

@Quin There you go again without any proof. My position is quite evident by these logs, and i bet you didn't even asked Zeroknight to be not racist or offensive. Zero/Ginger are biggest disruption in the game, they forced map against voting once i was in it. If calling some1 ingame slangs like suck it or lucky shot is disruptive thn these two guys are the biggest disruption (cause they do it all the time).

@suicizer "Quin's word is law" Think again

"Players must behave in a manner that is not disruptive to the game.
Cussing is fine, so long as it doesn't involve bigotry (racist, religious, or sexually derogatory [gender or orientation] remarks)

Moderators must act in a fair and impartial manner ...
Failure by a moderator to follow or uphold the rules may result in their access being immediately revoked, without warning." -Quin

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by Zamwa on 02/12/2013 16:39, refers to #14

If your considering the proceedings of the improper conduct are the cause of the problem, your wrong! The fact that Cocomo showed the first sign of rage over some rather harmless context of "suck it" makes Cocomo the starter of trouble!

It ended with a ban of the starter for the best!

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by Zamwa on 02/12/2013 16:40, refers to #16

Proof not needed!

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by rmqkr on 02/12/2013 17:27

In the beginning I wanted to make "real" TL;DR version but I see that suicizer01 and Zamwa comment but they didn't read full log so here is a bit expanded version of TL;DR: http://pastebin.com/10gbTbN9
You can find there e.g. ZeroKnight writing that he and Ginger were trying to provoke cocomo on purpose.

Razgriz: http://pastebin.com/gxurjV0t

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by Zamwa on 02/12/2013 17:56, refers to #19

That confirms what I said all along, unless your saying no one should be allowed to have a since of humor! All I see is kids being kids humor nothing more!

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