Instagib?

by sonic20x6 on 08/30/2012 23:15, 65 messages, last message: 12/04/2012 17:11, 26500 views, last view: 05/02/2024 12:37

Why do all the populated servers in Sauerbraten have to be instagib? I don't mind instagib, it's just all I see in active servers are instagib servers. I'm sick of the gamemode. I miss being able to use my other weapons instead of the rifle! I miss actually having HEALTH which doesn't kill you in one shot. I get lucky to find some regen capture or ffa servers, then a person will come in and ask if it can be changed to instagib, in which I'm like "NO! There's like 5 other instagib servers out there, go to those."

What is with everyone and instagib? What happened to variety?

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by kripkens on 08/31/2012 03:15

I've been wondering this too. There are usually 3x more people playing insta or insta-team than any other mode. I often don't see enough people to play anything other than insta at the times I can go online.

My theory is that all the other modes than insta are dominated by rockets. In regen, whoever gets the rockets usually has the upper hand, unless the map topography changes things. But this theory could be way off.

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by Papriko on 08/31/2012 13:19

Effic is somewhat popular, too.

But yeah, there it's also as kripkens said: rocket bitches everywhere.

You know what's odd? For some reason I always get one-hit-killed with rockets in effic. Even right after spawning.
HOW THE HELL? Rockets do 120 damage. You spawn with 100 HP and 100 Armor. The GA takes... not sure, 40 or 50 % of the incoming damage.
That means my HP should reduce by 50 to 60 %. That's 60 to 72 total damage going on my HP.

But for some reason does effic seem not to give a shit on maths. Rocket = instant death, period.



Back to the initial topic: I think insta also is so popular because everyone can find something in it that he likes. Campers are happy because of the instant kill, Runners are happy because you can gun down people without even stopping, Cheaters are happy because aimbots are in insta the most effective and pro players like insta because only skill counts and not who grabs the most items.
Effic theoretically offers that too, but practically does everyone just blast around (see upper half of my post).
Tactics also still could be worth a try, but there's always some jerk getting the rockets.

Rockets = overpowered. Insta = no rockets. No rockets = no overpowered. No overpowered = good.
Conclusion: Insta = good.

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by Undertaker on 08/31/2012 15:30

Insta is the most simple mode, newbies like it :)

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by suicizer01 on 08/31/2012 23:50, refers to #2

I think if the splash range of rockets would be reduced, it would make them way less powerful as they are now (as you'll have to be more accurate to make some proper damage with them).
Setting the reload time to 0.9 seconds instead of 0.8 would slow down the spamming.

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by kripkens on 09/01/2012 01:35

@suicizer

I like the idea of reducing the power of rockets. Doesn't need to be a lot, just a little bit.

One idea might be to weaken them when they go farther, either doing less damage or maybe being slightly affected by gravity. It would reduce huge amounts of spamming that we get in some maps where the infinite range and precision of rockets lets one base dominate another far-off one entirely. Only the sniper rifle should be able to do that ;)

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by geartrooper2 on 09/02/2012 18:51, refers to #5

Limited range would be interesting. A timed explosion or once the rocket reaches a certain distance from the 'radio controller' it goes in a random direction.

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by Redon on 09/03/2012 23:17

Did you know many of the regularly full servers lock their gamemode to insta ctf, regen capture, etc (or even insta team venice)? I'd say the concept of letting the serverlist balance itself has turned out not to work so well.

And *please* do not judge the balance of rockets based on your experiences in regen capture. Regen capture is just an awful, horribly unbalanced gamemode, that imo, should be removed altogether, or majorly redesigned.

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by [IT]LorenzoVulcan on 09/29/2012 08:31

That\'s because insta is more simple than FFA.

Real Arena-Core is FFA,insta is Just For Fun.

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by Papriko on 09/29/2012 15:36, refers to #7

It's not only regen capture. It's also tactics, effic, normal capture and virtually all modes that offer rockets.

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by Redon on 10/02/2012 15:19, refers to #9

My problem was that people here were using their impressions from regen capture as an argument to nerf rockets.

I have no problem with the balance of rockets in all those other modes. Rockets don't actually dominate them.

You're better off using all weapons in effic. I'd even say chaingun is stronger than rockets in effic.

Rockets don't dominate in classic capture like they do in regen either, as firstly, they aren't as abundantly available. Seeing half a dozen players sucking rocket ammo from a regen base simultaneously sound any familiar? That actually multiplies the base's ammo output by the amount of players camping it. Even for one player at once, a classic capture base yields less rockets per second. On top of that, classic capture doesn't encourage camping at bases, which removes all the kills caused by spamming rockets at other bases that you get so frustrated about half the time.

As for FFA modes, try relying your gameplay on rockets only and tell me how it turns out.

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by Papriko on 10/02/2012 18:31, refers to #10

"As for FFA modes, try relying your gameplay on rockets only and tell me how it turns out."

Awesome, thanks. I hardly leave the poor bastards chance to respawn. It just goes spawn dead spawn dead spawn dead. Was a very entertaining experiment, though actually not my taste. Usually I prefer direct contact + shotgun.

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by Redon on 10/03/2012 02:55, refers to #11

That's the domination in FFA for you, getting the guy with the armor and the ammo off the throne with a fresh respawn is harder than anywhere else, removing rockets wouldn't change that.

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by suicizer01 on 10/03/2012 08:28, refers to #12

Relax, rockets already have been set a little slower as they did in SVN. So it's a bit easier to dodge them as they travel with less speed through the playgrounds.

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by eihrul on 10/03/2012 09:55, refers to #13

Rocket speed has not been changed at all. Stop spreading misinformation.

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by suicizer01 on 10/03/2012 16:03, refers to #14

oh, well feels like it has been done, my bad.

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by Zorg on 10/07/2012 16:25

Weapons are amazingly well balanced in Sauer. Of course not in every mode on every map with every kind of opponents, but overall! In a noob-regen match, rockets can be overpowered on some maps. In a pro-ffa 1on1, machinegun can be overpowered. In a mixed CTF match, rifle can be overpowered. Etc. etc. But overall, including all the modes and all the maps, it is perfect the way it is.

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by TUR!M.Ozil on 10/22/2012 00:48

nice comment zorg. you´re right

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by goldfire on 11/21/2012 15:19, refers to #16

You just said what I thought :)

The weapons are fine the way the are.

But the factors that mostly imbalances the gameplay are:
* number of players.
* size of the map.
* time left (of current map)

FFA with 8 people playing in tiny maps (like douze, metl*) for 15 minutes is just f**ck. Nobody stands a match that long. Most players ragequit in ~2 minutes. LOL

The opposite is big maps + few people + 15 minutes = boring.

I wish that the server admins could set a considerable number of max players for each mode.

Something I really miss in Sauerbraten are plain old CTF matches. I play Sauerbraten since 2010 and I never have seen nor played a plain CTF match online!

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by Papriko on 11/21/2012 15:30, refers to #19

==> "Something I really miss in Sauerbraten are plain old CTF matches. I play Sauerbraten since 2010 and I never have seen nor played a plain CTF match online!"

Why don't you try to start some? Maybe you find some equally minded.

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by Bosurgi725 on 11/21/2012 21:00, refers to #19

---> "Something I really miss in Sauerbraten are plain old CTF matches. I play Sauerbraten since 2010 and I never have seen nor played a plain CTF match online!"

How do you miss it if you have never seen or played it?

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