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spawn killers are no fun

by Giszmo on 04/03/2011 15:37, 46 messages, last message: 06/07/2011 00:56, 17237 views, last view: 12/09/2021 01:06

Hi,

I love Sauerbraten and play a lot recently. Venice, instagib with 20 players at least but spawn killers somehow take all the fun of it. Neither is it fun to get killed 2ms after spawning nore is it fun to kill those bastards as they stand still staring at a spawn point nore is it fun to follow this strategy myself knowing how frustrating it is for the spawners.

I have some suggestions to make this more interesting:

#1: Spawn points get a team-dependent spawn penalty cool down depending on how fast players of a team die there so red players spawn where there are no blue spawn campers.
To be more precise: If a red player gets killed within the first second after spawning (dt<1), the spawn point will get a penalty cool down:
pcd=now()+(1-dt)*20s
so red players only spawn there if no spawn point's penalty is smaller than now().

#2: When spawning, the player can move for 500ms without shooting and without getting shot. This would work with all maps as they are now. This feature could be optional.

#3: Give more frags for chainsaw kills. At most spawn points it is easy to kill spawn killers with the chain saw. If a chain saw kill would steal an extra frag from the hit player, it would be more vital to watch one's back and spawn killers would score less, making it even more boring.

#4: Many more spawn points. This would involve changing maps, thus rendering a no-option but still venice with 100 spawn points would render spawn camping pretty senseless.

Regards,

Giszmo

P.S.: This forum is chaotic. If I would find my way around, I would probably have posted this in the "game mechanics" section but I didn't find any order here so sorry for "cluttering" if this is not the place to post this suggestion. :(

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#17: THE CURE!!! SPAWNPROTECTION!!!

by suicizer01 on 04/06/2011 15:26

I found the cure against spawnkillers!

If you really hate spawnkillers and your a mapper, do this:

1. Put a playerstart in your map.
2. Surround it with geometry (take like 2 cubes of the 1/64 grid, wich is default)
3. Add alpha material on it ("/alpha").
4. Noclip the material.
5. Use the command transparency command of alpha and set it as low as possible ("valpha 0.0001 0.0001").

Be carefull with this! You won't be able to see that geometry anymore, in any gamemode neither in edit mode! That's why, I would suggest to add a small selection of cubes just above the spawnprotection, so you always see some pink cubes for how far the spawnprotection goes.

I've noticed this hasn't any effect on the lighting, wich is a great thing.

The spawnprotection only works for pistolbullets, rifles, shells or machinegunbullets! It won't stop explosions, neither moving objects (like grenades or rockets)!
I haven't tested melee, but it probably won't stop that either.

My advice for using this protection is:
Use it only when really neccasery; on spawns in maps wich are very open or the playerstarts are just very sensitive for spawncamping.