Change pistol damage from 25 to 35? Discuss.

by eihrul on 09/05/2010 21:26, 48 messages, last message: 01/06/2011 21:09, 15430 views, last view: 12/08/2021 23:52

So, people have been grumbling at me that they would like to have the pistol do more damage and be less useless.

So my proposal is this:

Increase pistol damage from 25 (4 hit kill) to 35 (3 hit kill). To compensate, players would also no longer start with 1 grenade anymore.

What I would like discussed is if you support this, or you have opposition to it. Please do not clutter this thread with other proposals or ideas, as they will be ignored. Thanks.

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#19: ..

by Razgriz on 09/07/2010 22:35

as i said again, if you want to tweak the pistol, there are only 2 good options.

1) raise damage to 35, slow down its rate of fire considerably to like 2 shots per 1.2 secs.
2) lower damage to 20, increase rate of fire and starting ammo, add a bit of loss to the aim (similar to that of the minigun, but less)

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#20: Re: ..

by Blarget2 on 09/08/2010 20:59, refers to #19

PLEASE number 2!

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#21: ..

by nieb on 09/10/2010 09:31

I support this. Particularly the not starting with GL part.

However, I'd think a faster rate of fire would make the weapon more satisfying to use. But alas, there are gameplay implications to consider with that...

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by b3ast on 09/10/2010 13:03, refers to #20

Keep it the same please. It's quite fast already. In FFA there aren't any armors to be picked up at the start and frags come quite quickly with the pistol and other weapons. So if it was changed, pistol would be quite too powerful imo.

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#23: Re: ..

by Razgriz on 09/10/2010 16:32, refers to #22

yea, pistol is really useful to those whose aim is better than an aimbot, aka you >.>

on a serious note though, pistol feels really slow, taking note at how modern ones work. its damage is resonable. its fire rate feels crappy. its aim feels too centered for handgun. see suggestion 2. raising the power of the pistol would be bad, considering bots and the mass of players who would use it after that, but you would also have to slow it down considerably, or less assuming you mess with its aim.

and why the heck should the grenade be removed o.O

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#24: ..

by eihrul on 09/10/2010 16:37

Winner so far seems to be: don't change anything.

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#25: ..

by Atomizer on 09/10/2010 18:09

Damage is fine. But slightly increased firing rate and slightly less accuracy would probably make it feel more like a handgun.

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#26: Re: ..

by SheeEttin on 09/10/2010 20:09, refers to #24

Adding my opinion: Change something. Increase damage or rate of fire (and maybe add some cg-style inaccuracy), but right now the pistol is less than useless.

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#27: ..

by Fischkopf on 09/11/2010 01:15

you should make the pistol slightly less damage and higher firerate. and please don't remove the grenades from the game.

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#28: ..

by Quin on 09/11/2010 01:37

I'm actually inclined to the higher rate of fire myself too. Perhaps make it so it's not (semi-)automatic like we did in RE.

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#29: Re: ..

by LeftClicker on 09/11/2010 01:39, refers to #27

Or maybe (and this was already suggested):
Pistol damage ~20
Pistol speed ~125%
Pistol accuracy ~80% (And bots skill with it maybe decreased more.)

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#30: Re: ..

by LeftClicker on 09/11/2010 01:40, refers to #28

But in RE can't you hold down V or MOUSE2? Or did that change from BF? (The alien civilizations that read this in the future will wonder what the hell I'm talking about.)

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by _mIscreant on 09/11/2010 02:56

I revoke my earlier comment after considering this more. Perhaps faster rate of fire would be better...

I think the pistol was originally balanced well before the release that changed movement speed. Now its harder to hit ppl b/c we all move so fast and jump more (for speed boost).

Playing water edition again really reminded me how much slower the game used to be. Easy solution, just slow the next edition down a little. O:]

And add ponies.

*ducks for cover*

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#32: Re: ..

by Quin on 09/11/2010 07:01, refers to #30

Yeah, but MOUSE2 is much slower, more in line with how it currently is in Sauer.

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by metalhead (chris777) on 09/12/2010 23:45

Perhaps the rate of fire could change depending on how fast the person clicked. The faster the player clicked the more inaccurate the bullets. The slower the player clicked the more accurate. If he held down the the fire button it would fire at normal rate and with normal accuracy.
Increasing the amount of damage the pistol deals would be a bit annoying and throw off gameplay.
Also, starting with one grenade is handy as well. ;)

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by Fischkopf on 09/14/2010 00:55

i don't support this i think increase the fire rate is a much better idea.
make the pistol like in red eclipse.

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#35: changing weapons and stuff

by suicizer01 on 09/27/2010 23:14

i think it wouldnt be bad to make the pistol does 30 damage and grenade does 75 damage (when hitted directly; 75 damage, when hitted just inside radius of blast, 70 damage)

At this moment,when you spawn with another player, it takes 4 shots to kill that player or 2 shots and 1 grenade (it sometime even takes 3 shots and a grenade). Because its unprobably your hitting that player with the grenade directly, it takes more time to use 2 or even 3 shots and a grenade to kill that player, than just using 4 shots of pistol.
This makes the grenade pretty useless for receiving at respawn.
The grenade is unbalanced against other weapons anyways, like the rocketlauncher or machinegun. It has a very nice firing rate, but its far to unaccurate to deal some serious damage as a stand alone weapon (I'm taking the situation where both players arent chasing each other, but arent hiding itself either).
It would make the grenade more usefull either, because you barelly see it's getting used on efficiency matches (compared to other weapons) just because its low ammount of damage it deals.

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#36: Re: changing weapons and stuff

by Razgriz on 09/28/2010 13:18, refers to #35

wtf are you ranting about again, i barely make sense of this words pile myself.

in plain words: sdff6cx vhdfctx ghjv

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#37: reply to razgriz

by suicizer01 on 09/28/2010 18:07

ok, to make it more understandable:
pistol => 30 damage
grenade => 75 damage when directly hitted, 70 damage when indirectly hitted (by using the explosion)

why?
at this moment;
4 pistolshots = 100 damage
2 pistolshots + 1 grenadeshot (if hitted directly 71 damage) = 121 damage
3 pistolshots + 1 grenadeshot (if hitted indirectly 43 damage) = 118 damage.

when using 3 pistolshots and 1 grenade shot (wich is more common than directly hitted), it takes more time than just using 4 pistolshots.

after changing;
4 pistolshots = 120 damage
1 pistolshot + 1 grenadeshot (if hitted directly 75 damage) = 105 damage

for efficiency or tactics, grenades would be more "efficient" to use, because they arent like a secondary weapon anymore (because the lack of damage).

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#38: Re: Sounds good.

by kmart on 10/01/2010 16:34, refers to #1

ok sounds good to me

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