Sauerbraten and windows vista

by WILDBEAST on 03/12/2007 04:29, 67 messages, last message: 04/21/2007 19:03, 28602 views, last view: 05/18/2024 23:35

I've been running windows vista and sauerbraten runs at 14 frames per second, where it used to run at 70. I can play other 3d games (Nexuiz, Counterstrike) and only lose ~5 frames per second. Also, if any kind of explosion happens the game crashes. I don't know if there's someway to get it to work... but it's kind of a shame.

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by thenewrandomcivilian on 03/12/2007 04:37

video games under Vista should be better when new drivers come out

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by WILDBEAST on 03/12/2007 05:07

But it shouldn't be the driver, as more demanding games run with only 5~ fps less. Where as this is 60 FPS less...

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by rancor on 03/12/2007 09:23, refers to #2

But it is drivers... Sauerbraten demands better OpenGL support then either of the games you mentioned. I'd suspect that something like Quake 4 or UT2004 in OpenGL mode wouldn't work much better.

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by Drakas on 03/12/2007 16:43

Isn't OpenGL abstracted in Vista now through some kind of abstraction layer?
Just a tip: do not use Vista.

Can you somehow put "Open source" with "Propertiary (M$)" = "Good" ? no.

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by Max of S2D [Fr] on 03/12/2007 20:01, refers to #1

nVidia currently SUCKS on Vista.

There is a class action by consumers :p

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#6: Re: Class Action

by Morosoph on 03/12/2007 20:58

What, are they refusing to buy Vista? :p

This would surely be the best class action...

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by Drakas on 03/12/2007 22:05, refers to #7

You're kind of wrong.

It is Microsoft who is making the mistakes. Their market share will go down sharply in next two years, IMO.
Aren't nVidia's chipsets the first to support DX10?:-)

I believe that it is the problem of having OpenGL stuff. I'm sure that games that use DirectX instead of OpenGL do far better than with OpenGL.

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by Aardappel_ on 03/12/2007 22:15

this is out of our hands... we have no way of telling who between MS and the graphics cards drivers are screwing up performance on certain opengl calls. It is a question of waiting for updates.

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by mitto_mors on 03/13/2007 02:44

It's simple actually...its the GREMLINS, they are back and here to haunt our dreams but they have figured out how to enter the virtual world, dear lord no!!! :(, so far i have found only one way to get rid of them, first set off a gremlinbomb by going "format c: /q /y" then keep them at bay by inserting sabayon linux dvd into drive. I'm safe from gremmies for now, how bout YOU!

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by Quin on 03/13/2007 04:26

Y'know, explosions have been crashing Sauerbraten on my laptop since water edition, even on '-f0'. Guess it's Intel's lazy GL implementation on eons old drivers. Makes development/playing difficult when I have to hijack the entertainment pc from everyone else.

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by Passa on 03/13/2007 05:57

Max, everything currently SUCKS on Vista. imho its still in a BETA stage, and has pathetic 3rd party support at the moment.

And (I read this somewhere and I think its completely true) what XP did with integrating Internet Explorer 6 into the OS, Vista is doing with DRM. And DRM sucks.

In fact, I'm installing Ubuntu 6.10 on my desktop PC as we speak (I would have been using it since .. ages ago, but wifi wouldnt work, so I'm hoping 6.10 is better..)

And yes, like Aardappel said, these issues will all sort themselves out eventually, you'll just have to wait.

Drakas, yes its quite funny, Vista, which has DX10 exclusively to itself, can't run properly with an 8800GTX, the most powerful DX10 card, which came out months before Vista.. but thats Nvidia's fault really..

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by Passa on 03/13/2007 07:02, refers to #10

Quin, I get exactly the same thing on integrated Intel graphics chips on PCs.. no matter what version of drivers I use.

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by Passa on 03/13/2007 07:08

Third post, last post, I swear..

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9810/lollltu9.jpg

From Dell's website :P ( http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/solutions/en/winvista?c=us&cs=&l=en&s=dhs )

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#14: wow...

by shadow,516 on 03/13/2007 12:26

it says I need a gig of ram to read email. Lord help us.

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by KoiKitsune2006 on 03/13/2007 17:21

This is why I am sticking to Windows XP. First they cut off MSDOS, now they want a gig of ram to check e-mail. lmao

Oh yeah, I think you guys might want to read this.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14952

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by SanHolo on 03/13/2007 20:38

Microsoft does not support OpenGL, they want to hammer their DX-stuff into everything which uses OpenGL. So it's once again up to the GPU-makers to deliver good drivers.

Fuck it, OS X 10.5 will feature a multicore-optimized OpenGL implementation. =)
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2170

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by sinsky on 03/13/2007 23:05, refers to #15

Guys that don't have cash sounding the alarm - nothing new under the sun, Vista or no Vista :P I'm sure there are still plenty of people who don't like XP too.

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by absinth on 03/13/2007 23:20, refers to #16

>Fuck it, OS X 10.5 will feature a multicore-optimized OpenGL implementation. =)

Fuck it, this is already in Mac OS X 10.4.8 no need to wait.

I tried to enable it for MacSauerbraten but couldn't get any speedups in my preliminary tests, so i didn't enable it for official builds. A benchmark mode would help for testing such things btw.

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by thenewrandomcivilian on 03/13/2007 23:23, refers to #11

Actully Passa, your wrong sort of... Vista has come out in the US a few weeks ago.

Plus, DX10 hasn't come out yet, and the drivers for vista are quite buggy now.

I think i'll wait a few years to install vista, and just stick with XP for now.(although im also installing Suse Linux 10.3 soon :D)

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by kurtis84 on 03/13/2007 23:44, refers to #19

Same thing over and over...a new windows always causes this crap, and as some of you say, a couple years on the road is all Vista needs. I'm sticking to winxp for at least 2 more years. I tried Vista in beta form, and was pleased. The nvidia drivers were beta then ( still are? ) but seemed to run fine. Games like HL2, Q4, and sauer were only a couple fps slower than it is on winxp with the same hardware. Chances are, if anyone is having trouble running Vista, it's some old hardware mixed with new hardware thats causing the problems. If it's not 100% NEW hardware, do not instal Vista, unless you''re ok with losing some performance.

BTW, it was the ram issues that made me stick with winXP as well...I have 1.5gb's of ram on a new-ish mobo with a dual core 3.4ghz p4, and a gf6800. Vista can eat 1+gb's of ram like it's nothing :)

I'm not worried about where opengl fits into the future. I don't see dx games doing anything gl games cannot do. Again, this has been, and will most likely always be an issue with MS. They do not support GL, but all video card manufacturers do. Most game developers do, too..and besides, why worry about something we cannot control?

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